Syed wrote:
If Quran didn't declare Shias Kafir then Quran also didn't declare them Muslim. In Quran Shia word means 'group'. Are you rangraiz? why not understand Roman urdu?
Syed
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Dear Mr Syed,
Where in Quran it is mentioned that Sunnis are Muslim??
By the way Muslim cannot issue a Fatwa of Kufr [Apostasy] against the People of Qiblah. Shias are still People of Qiblah, they offer Salat facing Qiblah, they accept our Slaughter and we accept their Slaugther. Differences are there since the last 1300 years regarding some of the Deviant Beliefs of Ghulata Rafizis [Extremist Shias] but not every Shia is Rafizi. And if you have any ojection against Shia then the only thing you can do is preaching and that too peacefully because Quran says
ادْعُ إِلِى سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ وَجَادِلْهُم بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright. [AN-NAHL (THE BEE) Chapter 16 - Verse 125]
Read two books on Sects of Islam before opening your mouth regarding Shia and their sects:
1 - Kitāb al–Milal wa al-Nihal (كتاب الملل و النحل, The Book of Sects and Creeds), by Muhammad al-Shahrastani (d. 1153 CE)
2 - Al-Fisal fi al-Milal wa al-Ahwa' wa al-Nihal ("The Separators Concerning Religions, Heresies, and Sects") الفصل في الملل و الأهواء و النحل
by Ibn Hazm أبو محمد علي بن احمد بن سعيد بن حزم
These books are available in Pakistan, translated by Fazlee Sons, Karachi and you may find very disturbing things about Fiqh Imam Abu Hanifah as well.
Regarding Fatwa of Kufr [Apostasy] against the People of Qiblah.
According to the Quran, if a person says assalamu alaikum to us to indicate that he is a Muslim, we cannot say to him ``you are not a believer.''
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُواْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ لِمَنْ أَلْقَى إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلاَمَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِندَ اللّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ كَذَلِكَ كُنتُم مِّن قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا
O ye who believe! When ye go forth (to fight) in the way of Allah, be careful to discriminate, and say not unto one who offereth you peace: "Thou art not a believer," seeking the chance profits of this life (so that ye may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils. Even thus (as he now is) were ye before; but Allah hath since then been gracious unto you. Therefore take care to discriminate. Allah is ever Informed of what ye do. [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 - Verse 94]
The second thing we learn from this verse is that if, from among a non-Muslim people, a person addresses us by assalamu alaikum, that is sufficient proof that he is a Muslim. When such incidents took place during the Holy Prophet's life-time, sometimes it was suspected by some Muslims that such a person was not sincere.
But the Holy Prophet would say to them: ``Did you tear open his heart to see what was in it?'' [Muslim]
``Ibn Umar related that the Holy Prophet said: If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.''(Abu Dawud, Book of Sunna)
``Abu Zarr reported that the Holy Prophet said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.''(Bukhari, Book of Ethics)
The teaching contained in these hadith is meant to stop Muslims from dubbing each other as sinners and kafirs.
``Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.''
(Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)
``Call not the people of your Qibla [i.e. those who face the Ka`ba in Makka for prayer] as kafir.''(Al-Nihaya of Ibn Athir)
``Three things are the basis of faith. [One is] to withhold from one who says `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call him kafir for any sin, nor expel him from Islam for any misconduct.''(Abu Dawud, Book of Jihad)
There are many other hadith prohibiting that the ``people of the Qibla'' be dubbed as kafir. Such a great sin is it that the Holy Prophet issued the warning:
``Whoever attributes kufr [unbelief] to a believer, he is like his murderer.''(Tirmizi, ch. Iman (Faith); See also Bukhari, Book of Ethics)
Dear Mr Syed,
You are very fond of Imam Abu Hanifah's Fiqh [Deobandi and Barelvis follow the Fiqh of Imam Abu Hanifah]. Their comment are as under
Takfir of Muslims is also prohibited in the standard, classical works of Islamic law (fiqh) and creed (`aqa'id) accepted by the Ahl as-Sunna.
``And among the doctrines of the Ahl as-Sunna is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called kafir.''(Sharh `Aqa'id Nasfi, p. 121)
Regarding Imam Abu Hanifa, the founder of the Hanafi system of Islamic law, which has more followers than any other system in Islam, it is written:
``He did not call as kafir anyone from among the people of the Qibla.''
(Sharh Mawaqif, fifth part)
He said: ``Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that which made him enter it.''
(Rad al-Mukhtar, vol. iii, p. 310)
``It is extremely serious to expel a Muslim from the faith.''
(Sharh Shifa, vol. ii, p. 500)
``A ruling of takfir against a Muslim should not be given if it is possible to interpret his words in a favourable manner.''
(Rad al-Mukhtar, Book of Jihad, ch. on Apostasy)
``As for statements of takfir found in books of rulings (fatwa), these are not proof if the authors are unknown and the arguments are missing, because in matters of faith, beliefs depend on conclusive proof, and the takfir of a Muslim is attended with troubles of all sorts.''
(Sharh Fiqh Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari)
Mulla Ali Qari in Sharh Fiqh Akbar
``They say regarding the issue of kufr that if there are ninety-nine reasons for considering someone as kafir, and only one reason against it, the mufti and the judge is bound to act according to that one reason for negating the kufr.''
Sayyid Muhammad Abidin
``If there are many reasons in any matter for the application of kufr [considering someone as kafir], and one reason for its negation, the judge must incline towards the reason which negates takfir, giving the Muslim the benefit of the doubt.''
(Sil al-Hisan al-Hindi, p. 45)
Husain Ahmad Madani
This well-known Deobandi theologian of this century has written in his autobiography Naqsh-i Hayat:
``All great scholars are unanimous in holding that if, out of hundred ingredients of the belief of some Muslim, ninety-nine are those of unbelief, and merely one of true Islamic faith, it is not allowed to call him kafir, nor does his life or property become violable. In fact, Hazrat Gangohi [a founder of Deoband religious school] clearly states in his Anwar al-Qulub that the saying of the jurists about ninety-nine grounds does not set a limit, and that if 999 out of a thousand points in the belief of a Muslim are unbelief (kufr) and only one is true belief, even then he cannot be called kafir.''
(Naqsh-i Hayat, Bait-ut-Tauhid, Karachi, 1953, vol. i. p. 126)
If Quran didn't declare Shias Kafir then Quran also didn't declare them Muslim. In Quran Shia word means 'group'. Are you rangraiz? why not understand Roman urdu?
Syed
============================================
Dear Mr Syed,
Where in Quran it is mentioned that Sunnis are Muslim??
By the way Muslim cannot issue a Fatwa of Kufr [Apostasy] against the People of Qiblah. Shias are still People of Qiblah, they offer Salat facing Qiblah, they accept our Slaughter and we accept their Slaugther. Differences are there since the last 1300 years regarding some of the Deviant Beliefs of Ghulata Rafizis [Extremist Shias] but not every Shia is Rafizi. And if you have any ojection against Shia then the only thing you can do is preaching and that too peacefully because Quran says
ادْعُ إِلِى سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ وَجَادِلْهُم بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright. [AN-NAHL (THE BEE) Chapter 16 - Verse 125]
Read two books on Sects of Islam before opening your mouth regarding Shia and their sects:
1 - Kitāb al–Milal wa al-Nihal (كتاب الملل و النحل, The Book of Sects and Creeds), by Muhammad al-Shahrastani (d. 1153 CE)
2 - Al-Fisal fi al-Milal wa al-Ahwa' wa al-Nihal ("The Separators Concerning Religions, Heresies, and Sects") الفصل في الملل و الأهواء و النحل
by Ibn Hazm أبو محمد علي بن احمد بن سعيد بن حزم
These books are available in Pakistan, translated by Fazlee Sons, Karachi and you may find very disturbing things about Fiqh Imam Abu Hanifah as well.
Regarding Fatwa of Kufr [Apostasy] against the People of Qiblah.
According to the Quran, if a person says assalamu alaikum to us to indicate that he is a Muslim, we cannot say to him ``you are not a believer.''
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُواْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ لِمَنْ أَلْقَى إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلاَمَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِندَ اللّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ كَذَلِكَ كُنتُم مِّن قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا
O ye who believe! When ye go forth (to fight) in the way of Allah, be careful to discriminate, and say not unto one who offereth you peace: "Thou art not a believer," seeking the chance profits of this life (so that ye may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils. Even thus (as he now is) were ye before; but Allah hath since then been gracious unto you. Therefore take care to discriminate. Allah is ever Informed of what ye do. [AN-NISA (WOMEN) Chapter 4 - Verse 94]
The second thing we learn from this verse is that if, from among a non-Muslim people, a person addresses us by assalamu alaikum, that is sufficient proof that he is a Muslim. When such incidents took place during the Holy Prophet's life-time, sometimes it was suspected by some Muslims that such a person was not sincere.
But the Holy Prophet would say to them: ``Did you tear open his heart to see what was in it?'' [Muslim]
``Ibn Umar related that the Holy Prophet said: If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.''(Abu Dawud, Book of Sunna)
``Abu Zarr reported that the Holy Prophet said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.''(Bukhari, Book of Ethics)
The teaching contained in these hadith is meant to stop Muslims from dubbing each other as sinners and kafirs.
``Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.''
(Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)
``Call not the people of your Qibla [i.e. those who face the Ka`ba in Makka for prayer] as kafir.''(Al-Nihaya of Ibn Athir)
``Three things are the basis of faith. [One is] to withhold from one who says `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call him kafir for any sin, nor expel him from Islam for any misconduct.''(Abu Dawud, Book of Jihad)
There are many other hadith prohibiting that the ``people of the Qibla'' be dubbed as kafir. Such a great sin is it that the Holy Prophet issued the warning:
``Whoever attributes kufr [unbelief] to a believer, he is like his murderer.''(Tirmizi, ch. Iman (Faith); See also Bukhari, Book of Ethics)
Dear Mr Syed,
You are very fond of Imam Abu Hanifah's Fiqh [Deobandi and Barelvis follow the Fiqh of Imam Abu Hanifah]. Their comment are as under
Takfir of Muslims is also prohibited in the standard, classical works of Islamic law (fiqh) and creed (`aqa'id) accepted by the Ahl as-Sunna.
``And among the doctrines of the Ahl as-Sunna is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called kafir.''(Sharh `Aqa'id Nasfi, p. 121)
Regarding Imam Abu Hanifa, the founder of the Hanafi system of Islamic law, which has more followers than any other system in Islam, it is written:
``He did not call as kafir anyone from among the people of the Qibla.''
(Sharh Mawaqif, fifth part)
He said: ``Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that which made him enter it.''
(Rad al-Mukhtar, vol. iii, p. 310)
``It is extremely serious to expel a Muslim from the faith.''
(Sharh Shifa, vol. ii, p. 500)
``A ruling of takfir against a Muslim should not be given if it is possible to interpret his words in a favourable manner.''
(Rad al-Mukhtar, Book of Jihad, ch. on Apostasy)
``As for statements of takfir found in books of rulings (fatwa), these are not proof if the authors are unknown and the arguments are missing, because in matters of faith, beliefs depend on conclusive proof, and the takfir of a Muslim is attended with troubles of all sorts.''
(Sharh Fiqh Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari)
Mulla Ali Qari in Sharh Fiqh Akbar
``They say regarding the issue of kufr that if there are ninety-nine reasons for considering someone as kafir, and only one reason against it, the mufti and the judge is bound to act according to that one reason for negating the kufr.''
Sayyid Muhammad Abidin
``If there are many reasons in any matter for the application of kufr [considering someone as kafir], and one reason for its negation, the judge must incline towards the reason which negates takfir, giving the Muslim the benefit of the doubt.''
(Sil al-Hisan al-Hindi, p. 45)
Husain Ahmad Madani
This well-known Deobandi theologian of this century has written in his autobiography Naqsh-i Hayat:
``All great scholars are unanimous in holding that if, out of hundred ingredients of the belief of some Muslim, ninety-nine are those of unbelief, and merely one of true Islamic faith, it is not allowed to call him kafir, nor does his life or property become violable. In fact, Hazrat Gangohi [a founder of Deoband religious school] clearly states in his Anwar al-Qulub that the saying of the jurists about ninety-nine grounds does not set a limit, and that if 999 out of a thousand points in the belief of a Muslim are unbelief (kufr) and only one is true belief, even then he cannot be called kafir.''
(Naqsh-i Hayat, Bait-ut-Tauhid, Karachi, 1953, vol. i. p. 126)
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